Thread:14918/@comment-119.234.1.228-20131005031720/@comment-10259858-20131005033219

you just fail to make use of the items in the most efficient way

most people that grab 18k vp have high as to make use of sw efficiency

accompanied with 30 as team and maxed skill (5ww/ameno/kotetsu) and attack the other with lead advantage

your average vp per battle will reach 66 vp per battle

so with 300as  you will get 660-ish vp per sw

with 600as will be 1320-ish vp and eventually with 900as, you will grab 1980-ish per sw, which show that people with absurd amount of as can grab 18k daemons with as low as 8sw

coordinate your team, see the opportunity, maximize your advantage

if you fail to do that, learn them, you must make a mistakes in some places