Thread:Solasola/@comment-5876585-20130802094132/@comment-9351305-20130802142521

It really depends on if you have comquest point magas or daemons. But if you want to be in the 2000s without any BUFFs, a safe estimation might be 135-150. As for 800 you would have to go way way over 150. I guess A LOT MORE people would want Shingen compared to Tristan EX.