Talk:"Spirit Collection"/@comment-17760674-20150204210722/@comment-17760674-20150204220854

rank 79 inn SH 0_________0 congrats on your own haul :D

I had ~610 HP, ~360 AS, and ~290 DS (not enough beefs and I was initially planning to only rank for the lowest Charis bracket anyway). My only helper was a small additional acquisition magatama, which gave me 27 extra bouquets in the entire event (how cute xD).

I lost a total of 20 items from the non-5* WGs. *proud*

Gonna try to post something huge under a collapsible... hopefully this works (no preview function and I'm too lazy to go do this in another page):

All daemons are at least leveled to their maximum pre-LB level. Additional levels are explicitly stated. Lack of additional levels are not stated. Reason: I don't have many daemons leveled past their pre-LB max level.

WG Team: Shiori the Monster Cat - 27 AS, 5.4 AS per key
13,842 > 12,967
 * Leader: Obligatory Chocolate
 * Leader: Lv.50 (MLB) Kotetsu (original)
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Lv.50 (MLB) Kaede (original)
 * Lv.44 Kaede (original)

Also good for the GGs on 5F - 70F, 80F - 90F, 110F - 130F, and 160F. Good through 50F.

WG Team: Nohime's Hairpin - 43 AS, 4.3 AS per key
21,833 > 21,414
 * Leader: Faithful Hound
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Lv.60 (MLB) Sherry
 * Lv.50 (MLB) Kotetsu (original)
 * Obligatory Chocolate

Also good for the GGs on 5F - 130F, 160F, and 170F. Good for 51F through 75F.

WG Team: Princess Takiyasha (Fashion Show) - 82 AS, 5.47 AS per key
43,309 > 42,221
 * Leader: Hamal
 * Leader: Obligatory Chocolate
 * Lv.90 (MLB) Adult Yoshitsune
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Mamertine

Also good for all GGs up to and including 180F. Good for 76F through 100F.

WG Team: Preta Porter - 122 AS, 6.1 AS per key
62,121 > 61,976
 * Leader: Behemoth (Calm) (Anniversary)
 * Gan Jiang & Mo Ye
 * Lv.90 (MLB) Adult Yoshitsune
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Coral Guard

Also good for all GGS up to and including 190F. Good for 101F through 150F. 98.75% chance against Isolde (Fashion Show).

WG Team: Isolde (Fashion Show) - 108 AS, 4.32 AS per key
55,482 > 55,379
 * Leader: Hamal
 * Leader: Gan Jiang & Mo Ye
 * Lv.90 (MLB) Adult Yoshitsune
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Mamertine

Also good for all GGs up to and including 180F. Not good for Preta Porter.

WG Team: Post-150F, Pre-YJS - 129 AS
63,720 > 61,796 (Preta Porter)
 * Leader: Behemoth (Calm) (Anniversary)
 * Empress (Reversed)
 * Lv.90 (MLB) Adult Yoshitsune
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Coral Guard

55,409 > 55,379 (Isolde)

Also good for all GGs up to and including 180F. 99.19% chance against 190F. Good for 150F through 201F. Good for all non-5* WGs.

ALTERNATIVE

Since I couldn't find a way to use less than 129 AS for 100% win rate on everyone (before obtaining Yamataka Jindai Sakura), I figured that if I could use 90% of 129 AS (116 AS) and have over 90% win rate on Preta Porter and Isolde (and 100% on the rest of the non-5* WGs), then it might be worth it.

If all WGs have the same appearance rate (this may or may not be true, but considering that I've heard of people getting stalked by WGs on both ends of the spectrum and that I'm kinda a hopeful thinker...), then out of the 5 non-5* WGs, one appearance of each (since I'm using the guess that they all have the same encounter rate!) will give me 5 + 10 + 15 + 20 + 25 = 75 items. In other words, if the percentage of my savings is larger than the percentage of my losses, then the AS cut could be worth it because I'll save more than I'll lose. (I just have to hope that it's okay to lose stuff in the first place LOL and I guess more savings means more AS available to beat WGs)
 * 129 AS guarantees me 75 out of 75 items (100%).
 * If I have 90% for Preta Porter and 90% for Isolde and 100% for the others, then (for the sake of math) that's 5 + 10 + 15 + (0.9)(20) + (0.9)(25) = 30 + 18 + 22.5 = 70.5 out of 75 items (94%). That's 6% fewer items (lost only from Preta Porter and Isolde) for--if I can manage it--10% less AS (and 10% less AS corresponds to 10% lower win rate for "worthiness ratio", for lack of a better term).

Of course, this does not work out if I lose favor with the RNG god (always a given!) and/or if the appearance rate of the stronger WGs is more than the appearance rate of the weaker WGs. Also, again, this only applies to the items I get from the non-5* WGs since I'm going to be using the same team for all of them.

109 AS 3* WGs, Princess Takiyasha: 100%
 * Leader: Hellhound (Rare Summon)
 * Behemoth (Calm) (Anniversary)
 * Charismo Chris (Academy) + 7 magatamas
 * Lv.50 (MLB) Wind Weasel (original), max skill
 * Lv.50 (MLB) Wind Weasel (original), max skill

Preta Porter: 98.6%

Isolde: 98.35%

Items, going off of the model above: 5 + 10 + 15 + (0.986)(20) + (0.9835)(25) = 30 + 19.72 + 24.5875 = 74.3075 out of 75 items (99.07%)

... Yeah, that's definitely worth it. Over 15% less AS (from the 129 AS team) for not even 1% fewer items (going off of my model). O___O

WG Team: Post-150F, Post-YJS - 121 AS
63,738 > 61,796 (Preta Porter)
 * Leader: Behemoth (Calm) (Anniversary)
 * Yamataka Jindai Sakura (Fashion Show)
 * Yamataka Jindai Sakura (Fashion Show)
 * Kaede (Anniversary)
 * Lv.70 (MLB) Miss Snowman

55,425 > 55,379 (Isolde)

So now, a team that costs 109 AS with over 90% win rate would be "worth it". Looks like I can continue using the 109 AS team that brings me less than 1% fewer items xD 9.92% reduction in AS from this team.

WG Team: Yamataka Jindai Sakura (Fashion Show) - 151 AS, 5.03 AS per key per win, 6.25 AS per key overall
I need 3 procs to win.
 * Leader: High Priestess (Reversed) + 2 magatamas
 * Dragon Princess (Halloween) + 0 magatamas
 * Dragon King
 * Amaymon (Fashion Show) + 5 magatamas
 * Eingana + 4 magatamas
 * Chance of winning: 83.12%

Swapping out Amaymon for Foo + 4 magatamas would use 8 less AS for the same win rate, but I fused her magatamas away, dang it.

Oddly enough, it doesn't make a difference whether Amaymon's skill is 13 or 20, nor does it matter if his XP level is 60 or 70. I guess I need to hit a certain attack threshold before his skill level will make a difference.

Also good for all GGs up to and including 190F. Just 'cause.